Ex-CIA officer: Torture great way to get false
confessions
26 January, 2013, 00:09
“You
can’t get reliable information from torture. But torture works beautifully if
you want unreliable information” says McGovern.
His
comments come amid the trial of John Kiriakou, a CIA veteran sentenced to two
years in prison, after leaking sensitive information about Washington’s torture
program.
Kiriakou,
the man who oversaw the capture of Al-Qaeda's third-in-command, blew the lid on
America’s torture program, revealing the name of an alleged torturer at
Guantanamo Bay.
Kiriakou
came out against Washington’s torture program supporting the notion that
torture is illegal, says McGovern adding that the accusations against Kiriakou
are political andhe is being punished out due to rank-hypocrisy.
RT:
John Kiriakou says he is not punished for what he did but for what he is. What
are your thoughts on this?
Ray McGovern: It’s mostly of what he
said. He’s being punished out of rank-hypocrisy. Look at the chronology here,in
2007 he came out very loudly against torture as being not worthy of the US and
not efficient, not a way to get information. Less than a year later two lawyers
confirmed it : one’s name was Obama, the others name was Holder. Obama having
become president, Eric Holder another lawyer having become attorney general.
They said water boarding is torture, torture is illegal. What happened? Nothing
happened to the torturers. What is now happening is with the person who
happened to agree with Holder andObama, and disagree with the previous
president Bush. What did Bush say? At his exist interview with Matt Lauer, he
said that he is proud to have authorized that, the lawyer told me it was legal.
RT:
So you are saying that a bearer of bad news is being used as a scape goat here?
Ultimately as we all know post 9/11 security has been paramount for America. I
suppose one might argue that can indeed former CIA agents run loose with
secrets?
RM: The instructions were to
make people ‘confess’. Confess to what? Confess to the existence of weapons of
mass destruction in Iraq? Confess to the existence of operational ties between
al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein? It was all a croc. They had to make this stuff up.
You can’t get reliable information from torture. But torture works beautifully
if you want unreliable information. So they drew up not only ties weapons of
mass destruction but also ties between Iraq and al-Qaeda. When UK and US
invaded Iraq, 69 percent of the people in the United States believed that there
were operational ties between al-Queda and Iraq. And that Saddam Hussein had
something to do with 9/11. It was a masterful propaganda performance on the
part of the US and UK. How did they do that? One of the ways was that they
tortured this one prisoner Alibi sent him to Egypt where he confessed that he
sent people from Al-Queda to Hussein in Iraq to receive instruction in
explosives…
RT:
It’s all kind of murky. There have been people in the past that have said
invading Iraq for 9/11 is like invading Mexico for the bombing of Cahaba.
Essentially when John Kiriakou comes out with his information about water boarding,
I want to ask you where is the line between whistle blowing and that of leaking
sensitive information? It certainly seems a little blurry.
RM: John Kiriakou didn’t leak
any sensitive information. George Bush did, so did Eric Holder and Obama. Water
boarding is torture. Torture is a violation of all manner of international
agreements. So Kiriakou’s crime is sticking with the notion that torture was
illegal. And he is accused I suppose of having identified or leaked to the
press a person who is involved in torture. Now that person’s name was already
in the press. He lives in northern Virginia, where I live. I’d like to knock on
his door and say‘ Do you think its fair for you to have supervised the torture
program and John Kiriakou who is against torture going to jail?’ I’d really
like to do that. As a matter of fact I may do that when I get home.
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